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| 2012-05-20 04:12:56 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | 'Nobody wants to see his shortcomings.' |
| 2012-05-20 04:11:13 Hamlet@Epitaph | I don't know if Canadians really needed to see that. |
| 2012-05-20 04:05:23 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | http://ca.news.yahoo.com/nude-canadian-pm-gets-mixed-response-215328633.html |
| 2012-05-20 03:46:45 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | time to float a river pickle |
| 2012-05-20 03:46:37 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | hmm for limbless would they just take damage... guess so |
| 2012-05-20 03:46:13 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | I love the limb system, there is a suspect crack in the ground, gonna give them a 50/50 chance to get a good prize or lose a hand :D |
| 2012-05-20 03:45:54 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | pewping is both the greatest blessing and most horrible curse of humanity |
| 2012-05-20 03:45:20 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | SPOILERZ: He gives fire to filthy humans and is then chained up and gets his liver eaten by a bird. |
| 2012-05-20 03:44:54 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | greetings ugly bags of mostly water |
| 2012-05-20 03:44:01 Hamlet@Epitaph | let's fly to Olde Canadia and watch it early! |
| 2012-05-20 03:43:56 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | i must meditate on this |
| 2012-05-20 03:43:34 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | are they trying to encourage piracy? |
| 2012-05-20 03:43:07 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | omg prometheus opens a week early in yurop |
| 2012-05-20 03:42:23 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Ok, this is weird. Perhaps it IS too complicated for me. I specifically (tried to) set permissions on my external drive so 'Everyone' got RWX, and the four other entities of 'CREATOR OWNER', 'SYSTEM', 'belegost/quixadhal', and 'belegost/administrators' got 'full control'. Simple enough, right? End result, 'CREATOR OWNER' got nothing but a 'special' condition of 'subfolders and files only'. Is there a Microsoft-to-English translator for that? Why did it do something different than I told it to do? |
| 2012-05-20 03:23:46 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Kinda like 'chown -R user.group /drive && (find -type d /drive | xargs chmod 0750) && (find -type f /drive | xargs chmod 0640)' |
| 2012-05-20 03:20:28 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | What would be extra nice is to have it let you set the permissions the way you want them... ONCE... and have it really do what it says. Rather than kinda-sorta except for special inherited magic and not removing invalid SID's even though you said 'make it like this for everything'. |
| 2012-05-20 03:19:19 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | sparklehorse |
| 2012-05-20 03:15:31 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | batery horse...how did that go? |
| 2012-05-20 03:14:58 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | you can use FAT instead of NTFS |
| 2012-05-20 03:14:44 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Except when it's too annoying, in which case people just find ways around it. Like forcing users to have uber-secure Pa55w0rdZ, which they then write down on post-it notes and use for EVERYTHING so they don't have to remember 20 different ones. |
| 2012-05-20 03:13:36 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | security r0x |
| 2012-05-20 03:13:10 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | yep |
| 2012-05-20 03:07:59 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | My machine name, hardware, IP address, username, password are all exactly the same as they were last month, but because I reinstalled and got a new hidden SID, I have to manually change ownership on the whole drive so I have permission to use it again. |
| 2012-05-20 03:06:43 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | It's not complicated Kali, it's annoying. |
| 2012-05-20 03:04:16 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | windows is too complicated for quix :( |
| 2012-05-20 02:51:33 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | if i did that I would have diablo |
| 2012-05-20 02:42:54 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Also... ugh to Windows for me having to 'take ownership' of 2.5TB of data so I can create a new directory on my backup drive (which is owned by my earlier SID). |
| 2012-05-20 02:42:49 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | little happy trees |
| 2012-05-20 02:41:47 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | So you get little icons of trees and mountains and roads and such. |
| 2012-05-20 02:41:12 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Now you can write another script to take a 9x9 grid of pixels around you and generate a tile-based map image that you can display to folks with a smart client. :) |
| 2012-05-20 02:37:44 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | Success! my virtual area is all mapped now and working :D just have to make my map display custom colors for roads and diff terrain types |
| 2012-05-20 02:35:35 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | *snicker* |
| 2012-05-20 02:35:23 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | of course that is a mix of both virtualbox suck and vmware suck |
| 2012-05-20 02:35:08 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | ... don't get me started.. the ovf it produces will NOT work with certain versions of ESXi.. I spent 4 hours pulling my hair out hand editing xml files |
| 2012-05-20 02:35:05 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | (I assume that lets you sanitize your device configuration and so forth) |
| 2012-05-20 02:34:16 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | The ability to EXPORT a VM cleanly. |
| 2012-05-20 02:33:49 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | I think whomever it was that was making the amazon VM dead souls thingy might have looked into virtualbox. It has a feature that vmware (workstation anyways) lacks... |
| 2012-05-20 02:32:20 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | I don't have any real use for those, although it does occur to me that downloading a VM that has java and all the dev tools pre-installed might be more fun than trying to download all the bits and intalling them locally. |
| 2012-05-20 02:29:33 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Wow, the java development VM is actually bigger. |
| 2012-05-20 02:28:23 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | I see you can also download a full Oracle DB system (installed on an Oracle Linux VM), which could be amusing to play with at some future date. |
| 2012-05-20 02:26:01 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | its insanely great |
| 2012-05-20 02:25:59 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | It looks clean. I'll reinstall it, paying more attention, later and see what I can make it do. It is nice and snappy on my system. |
| 2012-05-20 02:25:52 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | ask them about dtrace |
| 2012-05-20 02:25:51 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | It was impressive |
| 2012-05-20 02:25:42 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | I went to a meeting with a few of the devs who worked on the project over when it was sun... oh man |
| 2012-05-20 02:25:41 Hamlet@Epitaph | like Justin Uber? |
| 2012-05-20 02:25:22 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | they are |
| 2012-05-20 02:25:13 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | and i think zfs acls are supposed to be pretty uber |
| 2012-05-20 02:24:59 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | i believe sol11 defaults to zfs for everything |
| 2012-05-20 02:20:37 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | It's cute that it does allow you to login with the old fallback of 'xterm' as your window manager... from back when you hand-editing the config files to change things and could lock yourself out. |
| 2012-05-20 02:18:24 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Solaris 11, BTW. |
| 2012-05-20 02:18:12 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | gnome desktop is the default eh? HAHAHAHAHA! |
| 2012-05-20 02:09:57 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Bah, didn't notice it defaulted to 16-bit stinky color... Oh well, can't get everything right on the first try. :) |
| 2012-05-20 02:02:29 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Oh, that's nice. It defaults to giving you a remote desktop |
| 2012-05-20 02:01:38 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | We'll see... it wasn't entirely obvious how the networking selection will actually work, but after the import is done I can probably poke at more settings. |
| 2012-05-20 02:01:10 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | I told it to reinitialize the MAC address too... figure might as well have a random new one. |
| 2012-05-20 01:59:43 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | under 1g ram it's not guaranteed it'll boot successfully, in my experience |
| 2012-05-20 01:59:24 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | for solaris 10 and above thats probably a good allocation |
| 2012-05-20 01:56:45 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | I think I will let it have 2 CPU's and 2G of RAM. Let's be generous. |
| 2012-05-20 01:32:24 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Yep, especially when you don't quite trust what you're experimenting with. :) |
| 2012-05-20 01:32:21 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | particularly when you have a vm on a laptop |
| 2012-05-20 01:32:05 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | host only is sometimes useful too |
| 2012-05-20 01:31:46 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | I usually make stuff bridged, since my LAN is already nat'd and if I don't forward a port, nothing can get in. |
| 2012-05-20 01:30:55 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | *nat |
| 2012-05-20 01:30:43 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | host only, internal network, net, or bridged |
| 2012-05-20 01:30:37 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | VMware workstation is a bit cranky about that. |
| 2012-05-20 01:30:33 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | each interface can be in one of various modes |
| 2012-05-20 01:30:26 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Nice if you wanted to test a firewall setup in several VM's. |
| 2012-05-20 01:30:08 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | you can have up to 8 if you futz with the config files |
| 2012-05-20 01:29:56 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | you can conveniently have up to 4 interfaces |
| 2012-05-20 01:29:39 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Oh, per VM when you create/import it? That's ok then. I saw in preferances you could add another local 'host only network'. |
| 2012-05-20 01:29:03 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | you dont need to do anything extra, you just set that in the adapter proiperties |
| 2012-05-20 01:28:39 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | I'll have to figure out how to install whatever they call 'bridged networking', so I can have a VM get a real address on my LAN. |
| 2012-05-20 01:28:29 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | it's quite handy because it lets you use rdp to take control of a vm's console (whether it is windows or not) |
| 2012-05-20 01:27:58 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | one other is that you probably want to install tyhat optional thing you dont think is necessary |
| 2012-05-20 01:27:34 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | there arent that many |
| 2012-05-20 01:27:26 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | ythat is one inconvenience |
| 2012-05-20 01:27:04 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Heh, installing virtualbox resets your network interfaces, as it probably intalls a passthru driver on them. |
| 2012-05-20 01:20:13 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | but i dont know if it is user default now |
| 2012-05-20 01:20:04 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | bash comes installed by default now |
| 2012-05-20 01:19:50 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Good. I was hoping I wouldn't have to remember tcsh. |
| 2012-05-20 01:19:26 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | bourne |
| 2012-05-20 01:19:19 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Oh, Crat, do you happen to remember what the default shell is? Back in the day, it was csh. :) |
| 2012-05-20 01:18:45 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | All downloaded, I'll give it a try tomorrow. If the ACL thing works like I expect, I'll ponder what I'd need for a mud login shell. |
| 2012-05-20 01:09:50 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | i actually had to think about it |
| 2012-05-20 01:09:44 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | but it required a reboot of your vm |
| 2012-05-20 01:09:29 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | substantial, too |
| 2012-05-20 01:09:21 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | this one time they offered a completely free memory upgrade |
| 2012-05-20 01:08:43 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | all within about 20 min |
| 2012-05-20 01:08:33 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | today there was some packetloss going to the ubuntu distribution servers at the handoff (not linode) and they were helping to fix some BGP tables |
| 2012-05-20 01:08:29 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | uptimes in years |
| 2012-05-20 01:08:15 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | theyre just been so rock solid it hasnt been necessary |
| 2012-05-20 01:08:02 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | ive never had to contact linode support, ever |
| 2012-05-20 01:07:47 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | im amazed with linode, they usually respond intelligently within about 10 minutes |
| 2012-05-20 01:07:11 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Now it's like 'Oh, I guess maybe you aren't LYING to us. We'll send someone out to look at it on their lunch break tomorrow, kthxbi!' |
| 2012-05-20 01:05:53 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | those were good days |
| 2012-05-20 01:05:25 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | platinum support you'd have someone onsite within 2 hours, round the clock |
| 2012-05-20 01:05:09 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | gold support meant youd have someone onsite within 4 hours during business hours |
| 2012-05-20 01:04:56 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | None of this talking to 5 different tech tiers in India before getting an RMA and so on. |
| 2012-05-20 01:04:39 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | sun had that |
| 2012-05-20 01:04:18 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Sure, you paid a hefty fee for your maintenance contract... but by God if something went wrong that you couldn't fix, they sent someone out in just a few hours. |
| 2012-05-20 01:03:28 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | I miss the days of mainframes. |
| 2012-05-20 01:02:29 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | 18 years later, theres no such thing as IBM desktop support |
| 2012-05-20 01:02:16 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | (1.8G download, 3.3Mb/sec -- 6 minutes left) |
| 2012-05-20 01:02:14 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | top notch support |
| 2012-05-20 01:02:01 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | no RMA, no bullcrap |
| 2012-05-20 01:01:49 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | so i call up IBM support, get a native english speaker, we talk it over, he agrees, and i get the part in the mail like 2 days later |
| 2012-05-20 01:01:27 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Why ask for anything more until money changes hands? |
| 2012-05-20 01:01:17 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | some kinda assembly, maybe a fan |
| 2012-05-20 01:01:14 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | I've applied for quite a few online game betas/demos over the last 10 years. Guild Wars 2 had the most logical and simplest form to fill out. Your email address. That's all we need. |
| 2012-05-20 01:01:08 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | like 18 years ago i was helping my faculty advisor with a thing, and i called up IBM support because i troubleshot it to a faulty part in the IBM desktop |
| 2012-05-20 01:00:23 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | yknow, maybe im onto somthing here |
| 2012-05-20 01:00:09 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | I'm pretty sure there isn't a 'Bolivia, MI' town, but that's where my company is located. |
| 2012-05-20 00:59:44 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | There we go.... I hope they realize that all requiring data like that does is pollute their data pool with garbage. |
| 2012-05-20 00:59:14 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | actuall spending money on support |
| 2012-05-20 00:59:08 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | but then, maybe that was part of the problem |
| 2012-05-20 00:58:57 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | sun suppot was top notch |
| 2012-05-20 00:58:40 Lyanic@7thplane | I'd probably go with Puppy Kicking, LLC |
| 2012-05-20 00:57:58 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | apparently you get used to it |
| 2012-05-20 00:57:57 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | My company, for sites that suck enough to require me to give them something, is usually Kitten Mangling, Inc. |
| 2012-05-20 00:57:52 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | 'is this really how you get oracle support?' |
| 2012-05-20 00:57:39 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | i was aghast |
| 2012-05-20 00:57:32 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | i remember this one time i got wrapped up in trying to get some patches for a specific version of oracle db to an oracle dba that had not access |
| 2012-05-20 00:56:57 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | so it might not be especially weird that sun legacy support now sucks |
| 2012-05-20 00:56:42 Lyanic@7thplane | QuixCo, High Technology |
| 2012-05-20 00:56:39 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | to be fair, oracle support seems to always have sucked |
| 2012-05-20 00:56:35 Hamlet@Epitaph | the debugging support that the SUN people were developing when I was in school was pretty incredible. |
| 2012-05-20 00:56:32 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | I guess I'll be 'High Technology' today. |
| 2012-05-20 00:56:22 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Huh, no option for 'None' when filling out the required company's industry field. :) |
| 2012-05-20 00:55:37 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | and now oracle's done everything it can to handle it incorrectl |
| 2012-05-20 00:55:19 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | hit its peak right when sun died |
| 2012-05-20 00:55:06 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | solaris is such an awesome work |
| 2012-05-20 00:54:45 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | it's tragic, really |
| 2012-05-20 00:54:12 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | yes, probably less hassle |
| 2012-05-20 00:54:02 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | *snort* I may just make a new account then.. probably less hassle. |
| 2012-05-20 00:53:48 Lyanic@7thplane | I mostly try to pretend Oracle doesn't exist |
| 2012-05-20 00:53:28 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | oracle has done a frankly execrable job of integrating sun |
| 2012-05-20 00:52:54 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | good chance that if its a legacy user you need to go through some flaming hoops to get it to work in thei new setup |
| 2012-05-20 00:52:26 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | oh that's the tip of the iceberg, mate |
| 2012-05-20 00:52:08 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | ACK! Ihave to remember my sun/oracle login name from 15 years ago? |
| 2012-05-20 00:51:08 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | im just not vouching |
| 2012-05-20 00:51:04 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | yeah, im not arguing against using those images |
| 2012-05-20 00:50:49 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Then I'd need to download the install media too. |
| 2012-05-20 00:50:32 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | i usually build from install media |
| 2012-05-20 00:50:23 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | dunno |
| 2012-05-20 00:49:53 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | I imagine just the Solaris 11 Admin one is good enough for poking at MUD stuff. |
| 2012-05-20 00:49:35 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | I have been pretty happy with the licensing terms of MS servers the last couple years, saved us quite a bit at work |
| 2012-05-20 00:49:26 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | virtual box vm's to play with. |
| 2012-05-20 00:49:16 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Ahhhh, there we go: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/community/developer-vm/index.html |
| 2012-05-20 00:48:40 Lyanic@7thplane | I imagine Win9 or Server 201X will have built-in virtualization software |
| 2012-05-20 00:48:05 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | ms cant stop the virtualization train, but theyre darn well going to own it, if it kills them |
| 2012-05-20 00:47:57 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | The question is, will they buy them out, or will the engineer something built-in to windows server 2014 that makes it obsolete? |
| 2012-05-20 00:47:21 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | if you sit down and think about what virtualization does to microsoft's interests, you know vmware's days are numbered |
| 2012-05-20 00:47:05 Lyanic@7thplane | I find few differences between VMWare and Virtualbox... |
| 2012-05-20 00:47:01 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Xen is pretty nice, provided you have the patience to figure out how the **** to set up the VM's in it. |
| 2012-05-20 00:46:19 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | redmond has not so secret skunkworks in progress to kill vmware |
| 2012-05-20 00:46:01 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | yep, I was wondering about xen |
| 2012-05-20 00:45:59 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | also i wouldnt get too attached to vmware |
| 2012-05-20 00:45:27 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | but you gotta pay |
| 2012-05-20 00:45:20 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | ESX is like virtualiation nirvana |
| 2012-05-20 00:45:14 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | I have been using ESXi quite a bit :) they are very nice |
| 2012-05-20 00:45:06 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | AFAIK, you need ESX server to have vmware not suck. :) |
| 2012-05-20 00:44:46 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | the networking in vb usd to be flat out horrenous |
| 2012-05-20 00:44:42 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | I have a slightly older non-free vmware... but to be honest, the non-free doesn't give you all THAT much more than the free one. |
| 2012-05-20 00:44:37 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | virtualbox is way wa better than it used to be tho |
| 2012-05-20 00:44:18 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | they need to rewrite the way they handle UDP packets in virtualbox as well, its a mess |
| 2012-05-20 00:44:06 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | indeed i think it's worse in some ways |
| 2012-05-20 00:44:04 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | ohh, word for the wise, never run virtual box under a vmware image :) networking is a disaster |
| 2012-05-20 00:44:02 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Oh, that makes sense. I guess since Sun made virtualbox, they might distribute solaris VM's for it too, no? |
| 2012-05-20 00:43:47 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | im hard pressed to think of an advantage to free vmware over virtualbox |
| 2012-05-20 00:43:25 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | get vitualbox quix |
| 2012-05-20 00:43:12 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | alright, almost done with all my descriptions, going give this virtual mess a run and see how my mud likes it :) |
| 2012-05-20 00:43:12 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Hmmm, http://goo.gl/3ObLg -- I'd have to reinstall vmware workstation though. |
| 2012-05-20 00:43:02 Hamlet@Epitaph | yeah, that's the first thing I do when I install a new linux. freaking give root a password. |
| 2012-05-20 00:42:04 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | but whatever maybe i'm just an old curmudgeon |
| 2012-05-20 00:41:54 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | which offends me |
| 2012-05-20 00:41:49 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | they seem to have bought into the whole no need for root thing |
| 2012-05-20 00:41:40 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | it is pretty amazing actually, but when you just use it for a general OS for random crap, web server, mud, random tests, scripting it drives me batty |
| 2012-05-20 00:41:31 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | the one thing im standoffish about regarding new solaris is RBAC |
| 2012-05-20 00:41:25 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | (IE: Sparcstation 1+ and friends era) |
| 2012-05-20 00:41:01 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | My only experience with Slowlaris was back when it was SunOS 5.x -- I suspect it's a bit different now. |
| 2012-05-20 00:40:58 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | it's intensely great |
| 2012-05-20 00:40:54 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | the best use i have for it is zfs |
| 2012-05-20 00:40:48 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | also, take a look at zfs |
| 2012-05-20 00:40:25 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | afaik it's still free |
| 2012-05-20 00:40:08 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | you shut ur ***** mouth |
| 2012-05-20 00:40:07 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | I'd be willing to give it a try in a VM to see how well it works. Can you still download it for free as long as you promise your firstborn to Oracale? |
| 2012-05-20 00:39:54 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | ewww... last time i used it I wanted to stab someone at Sun... the libraries are such a mess |
| 2012-05-20 00:39:52 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | nobody uses em, but theyre part of the sysadmin test so i know they work :) |
| 2012-05-20 00:39:34 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | UFS has had acls for ages |
| 2012-05-20 00:39:20 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | i am |
| 2012-05-20 00:39:14 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | you talkin about the OS? |
| 2012-05-20 00:38:53 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | solaris? yeah |
| 2012-05-20 00:38:42 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Hmmmm... can I fully administer that over ssh? |
| 2012-05-20 00:36:31 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | solaris |
| 2012-05-20 00:36:10 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | that would be VERY helpful. Right now it puts a lot on an admin to move their files to the domain, would be nice to be able to pick and choose and let them just edit specific files in a domain if you want |
| 2012-05-20 00:35:00 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | I think I'd like to try a linux distro that has ACL enabled for the filesystem. That way builders can read whatever you let them, but they can only write to areas they're working on. |
| 2012-05-20 00:33:28 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | the extra 20 seconds isn't a big deal though :) |
| 2012-05-20 00:33:10 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | wrote a script to setup new creators, im going to eventually get around to having the mud auto-create them when i set them up as creators |
| 2012-05-20 00:32:33 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | yep, that was the toughest part but not really all that difficult |
| 2012-05-20 00:32:11 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | So, did you do a proper chroot jail for them? |
| 2012-05-20 00:12:53 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | I think it might be more for me than anyone. But the shell access is the most used and what everyone has said they are most comfortable with, except one guy... he only uses creweb :) |
| 2012-05-20 00:11:55 Raudhrskal@Dead_Souls_Dev | Optimist ;) |
| 2012-05-20 00:09:20 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | one would assume anyway |
| 2012-05-20 00:09:15 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | less barriers for entry they have the more they will produce and the happier they will be |
| 2012-05-20 00:08:48 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | I am working on adding some creator scripts for mushclient as well that will let you do full room editing by typing cliedit here :) |
| 2012-05-20 00:08:10 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | that and i modified creweb to include color coding on the LPC code and made things a little prettier |
| 2012-05-20 00:07:36 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | btw, shell access 100%, i give all my creators shell access to their realm, wasn't too hard really |
| 2012-05-20 00:06:49 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | next on the list for this is to make custom descriptions based on nearby features, so if your walking near a river it will modify the description. I also want to include some basic stuff like if your on a road it will give a brief description of the general direction it heads |
| 2012-05-19 23:55:49 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Heck, if your install has X11, you can even export DISPLAY=blah.com:0.0 and use a pointy-clicky one. |
| 2012-05-19 23:55:35 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | ZZ |
| 2012-05-19 23:55:12 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Other benefits of making a game login shell... use whatever editor you like. |
| 2012-05-19 23:55:05 Lyanic@7thplane | EMACS FTW!! *ducks* |
| 2012-05-19 23:54:45 Raudhrskal@Dead_Souls_Dev | But vim vs rest of the world war is here since 40+ years, and is here to stay, so... I guess I may as well shut up. |
| 2012-05-19 23:54:10 Raudhrskal@Dead_Souls_Dev | My whole extent of vim knowledge is <Esc>, i, I, o, O, p, P, y, v, V, Ctrl-V, dd, :wq, :q, :q! ... and I don't really like using it. I often type blind, thus make typos. That's quite deadly in vim. |
| 2012-05-19 23:54:01 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Let the machine itself handle the details of telnet/ssh/terminal-type and all that nonsense. The shell just has to talk to the game server so you get proper game output displayed to you. |
| 2012-05-19 23:52:41 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Of course, my own preference is to design a custom shell that talks to the mud over a socket, so players and builders both log into the mud's machine and get a full screen interface. |
| 2012-05-19 23:52:25 Lyanic@7thplane | but if you're editing db entries, a table with form fields is more logical |
| 2012-05-19 23:51:43 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | More like, notepad with hjkl instead of arrow keys. |
| 2012-05-19 23:51:42 Raudhrskal@Dead_Souls_Dev | shellinabox configured to run vim? |
| 2012-05-19 23:51:33 Lyanic@7thplane | in fact, I know of a fully working Vim clone that is designed to be a game that teaches you to use Vim...and it is written in Javascript and Flash |
| 2012-05-19 23:51:28 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | I found jsvi, but it's hardly a full editor. |
| 2012-05-19 23:51:11 Lyanic@7thplane | I probably could |
| 2012-05-19 23:51:00 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Ok, find me a fully working vim clone in javascript. |
| 2012-05-19 23:50:44 Lyanic@7thplane | two words: web editor |
| 2012-05-19 23:50:15 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | I do, but some idiots out there want to have OTHER people help them build stuff, and yet don't want to give them full login shells. |
| 2012-05-19 23:49:34 Raudhrskal@Dead_Souls_Dev | Eww, ftp. Edit on the server! |
| 2012-05-19 23:48:10 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Ugly, doesn't allow for remote editing over ftp without yet more kludges. |
| 2012-05-19 23:47:13 Raudhrskal@Dead_Souls_Dev | Make an alias that extracts the data from DB, opens in editor, and writes back on close? |
| 2012-05-19 23:46:32 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | The only downside (for me) would be I'd lose the ability to just go 'vim /d/foo/toilet.c' to change stuff. |
| 2012-05-19 23:45:45 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Well, if it weren't such a pain in the arse to directly access an RDBMS from LPC, I'd just keep all my data in PostgreSQL and use a query to get what I needed. |
| 2012-05-19 23:45:26 Raudhrskal@Dead_Souls_Dev | Pains because of low quality, or because of it being technical? |
| 2012-05-19 23:45:07 Raudhrskal@Dead_Souls_Dev | Hi Kali. I'm having a temporary pass from the land of the dead. |
| 2012-05-19 23:45:02 Lyanic@7thplane | no, not really...just know that it pains me to read a lot of technical discussion on this channel |
| 2012-05-19 23:44:44 Raudhrskal@Dead_Souls_Dev | Most of us are hobbyists... anyway, care to enlighten us? |
| 2012-05-19 23:44:17 Lyanic@7thplane | I'm becoming increasingly convinced that the MUD developers of I3 are actually some of the worst designers and algorithm writers in the world |
| 2012-05-19 23:43:30 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | makes sense |
| 2012-05-19 23:43:27 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | Raud lives! |
| 2012-05-19 23:43:16 Raudhrskal@Dead_Souls_Dev | and make the loader fix-up the references to adjacent virtrooms. |
| 2012-05-19 23:43:01 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | 4 mil files wouldn't be too bad on a raid 6 device, shouldn't slow it down at all really |
| 2012-05-19 23:42:56 Raudhrskal@Dead_Souls_Dev | Hells, I'd go for something like SetExits('west': 'VIRT) |
| 2012-05-19 23:42:52 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | I'd rather just keep two mappings, room -> coords and coords -> room. |
| 2012-05-19 23:41:55 Raudhrskal@Dead_Souls_Dev | You wouldn't have 4 million handmade rooms. |
| 2012-05-19 23:41:50 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | It slows the filesystem down and is impossible to list. :) |
| 2012-05-19 23:41:46 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | for exits where would they be defined, the named file or the coordinate file? |
| 2012-05-19 23:41:36 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Yeah, but then you still need to keep them on disk. I hate having a directory with 4 million entries. |
| 2012-05-19 23:41:17 Raudhrskal@Dead_Souls_Dev | (I hate typing blindly.) |
| 2012-05-19 23:40:57 Raudhrskal@Dead_Souls_Dev | You can also go for echo 'inherit /domains/example/room.c' > 100,500,220.c |
| 2012-05-19 23:40:55 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | (Because it's a diku and doesn't have virtual anything) |
| 2012-05-19 23:40:43 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | WileyMUD has about 4000 rooms, but about half of them are 'grasslands' or 'redspine mountains' or 'travellers road'. |
| 2012-05-19 23:40:31 Raudhrskal@Dead_Souls_Dev | You can also go for echo 100,500,220.c |
| 2012-05-19 23:40:16 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | so far we are up to 400 :P |
| 2012-05-19 23:39:56 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | But since most games only have a few thousand hand-built rooms, that isn't a huge deal. |
| 2012-05-19 23:39:22 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Since if you dont' want all your files to be room_x,y.c, you'd need a mapping of coordinate -> /d/library/spiral_stair_landing.c |
| 2012-05-19 23:39:20 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | might be strange figuring out custom exits though |
| 2012-05-19 23:39:00 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | you could just have the x,y file load up the unique filename |
| 2012-05-19 23:38:29 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | The only thing you *might* need is to have a mapping of x,y -> filenames for the hand-built areas. |
| 2012-05-19 23:38:07 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | fortunately it won't be too bad as our wilderness areas are few and far between, most of it is just good ol room making |
| 2012-05-19 23:37:32 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | FluffOS won't garbage collect it until it hasn't been touched for X minutes, so it'll stick around for a while as people wander. |
| 2012-05-19 23:37:20 Raudhrskal@Dead_Souls_Dev | I still twitch remembering a directory containing forest1.c to forest780.c on one other MUD. |
| 2012-05-19 23:37:05 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Nah, if you don't customize it, why bother saving it? |
| 2012-05-19 23:36:47 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | gotcha |
| 2012-05-19 23:36:45 Raudhrskal@Dead_Souls_Dev | Sorry, thought at least one of you two meant 'writing the file for the room on disk the first time a room is accessed'. |
| 2012-05-19 23:36:30 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | if(file_exists('/d/foo_x,y.c')) { load from file } else { load from socket } |
| 2012-05-19 23:35:45 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | how are you going to handle customization outside of the image? keep a unique file for unique rooms? |
| 2012-05-19 23:35:40 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Pre-generating works too, but you have to know how big you want it ahead of time, and have all those tiny little files sitting on the disk. |
| 2012-05-19 23:34:59 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | That way, you can hand build your areas onto an existing wilderness that you do NOT need to hand build. |
| 2012-05-19 23:34:39 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Right Raud, that's what I'm saying. Just have it load the disk file if it exists, otherwise ask the script to generate it. |
| 2012-05-19 23:34:06 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | And I suppose you could keep the image data in memory, or break it into chunks. |
| 2012-05-19 23:34:01 Raudhrskal@Dead_Souls_Dev | So should be possible to generate rooms on the fly by reading the data (not necessarily in LPC form) from a socket... |
| 2012-05-19 23:33:23 Raudhrskal@Dead_Souls_Dev | After all, that's how the current /virtual/ works, right? |
| 2012-05-19 23:33:11 Raudhrskal@Dead_Souls_Dev | Wait a sec... there is a way to generate FluffOS objects that don't have a corresponding disk file. |
| 2012-05-19 23:32:07 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Well, constantly is a bit of an overstatement unless you have hundreds of players. FluffOS will keep the object around for some time without having to regenerate it. |
| 2012-05-19 23:31:57 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | i guess since its single threaded its fine, also means that if the file corrupts the whole mud goes down :) |
| 2012-05-19 23:31:26 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | this is where you would have to constantly read from the disk on a single file. When i have done that in the past things can get ugly |
| 2012-05-19 23:31:01 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | The socket server can open your graphic file and go get pixel x,y or however you want to generate your rooms, no need to keep them all in memory all the time. |
| 2012-05-19 23:30:19 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Really? I figured just make the script a socket server and have the virtual room system go 'if file /foo/x,y.c exists, load that object and return it, otherwise open a socket to script foo and ask it for the code to /foo/x,y.c -- then load that and return the resulting object' |
| 2012-05-19 23:30:19 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | by faster I dunno, its pretty quick now. Just write speed to the disk being the only issue |
| 2012-05-19 23:29:52 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | ugly code right now though, i'll do a cleanup before im finished. Still need to integrate more options for the template and there are a few areas I was being silly so it could be faster |
| 2012-05-19 23:28:01 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | when with the simple version of just writing it to disk |
| 2012-05-19 23:27:46 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | after fiddling around the only way to really make a large grid was either a db to cache the results of random wilderness areas or some b-tree (aka database) or to just store them on disk |
| 2012-05-19 23:25:33 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | It sounds like you've got a good solid point I can jump off from though, so I'll give it a look when I can pull myself away from Diablo again. :) |
| 2012-05-19 23:24:24 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | But, having it only ask the script for one if the file doesn't already exist means once you change something and it hits the disk, it won't ever change that one again unless you delete it. |
| 2012-05-19 23:23:39 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | See, I plan to have a world map that would likely be many thousands on a side, and having 4 million rooms on disk seems a bad idea. |
| 2012-05-19 23:20:09 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | it was the hand editing that gave me the push to make them static, plus it can pull from a random set of data to generate a room. It would be odd for rooms to change after you came back later :) |
| 2012-05-19 23:18:42 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Oh, I'd probably still make them on demad, as I don't really WANT actual physical files to exist unless you hand edit a room. But I figured it'd be easier to use a socket and let the perl/python/etc fiddle with the graphic file. |
| 2012-05-19 23:15:43 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | was playing with gif and read_bytes in lpc but it didn't make sense, better to pre-generate then just drop all the files into the virtual directory |
| 2012-05-19 23:15:21 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Cool. |
| 2012-05-19 23:14:29 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | python, its using PIL so any format really, jpg, png, gif, etc |
| 2012-05-19 23:12:53 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | And do you parse it in LPC, or via a script helper and a socket? :) |
| 2012-05-19 23:12:21 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Out of curiosity, what image file format do you use? |
| 2012-05-19 23:11:41 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | here's the code / samples for the virtual room generator, let me know if anyone finds it useful. I will post it up on the forums after I get all of the rest finished http://www.savsoul.com/tools/ |
| 2012-05-19 23:08:55 Raudhrskal@Dead_Souls_Dev | That's one of the better lines I've seen today. :) |
| 2012-05-19 23:03:50 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | You know, smoking weed in the commune sounds cool and all... but getting the details about how you don't actually OWN the weed, and how you have to help grow and maintain everyone ELSE'S weed before you have any to smoke... |
| 2012-05-19 23:02:30 Lyanic@7thplane | I should turn my tv to that prior to him showing up....it'll be a struggle for me to tolerate it, though |
| 2012-05-19 23:02:30 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | I figured most hippies *think* they like socialism, until they actually hear the details. |
| 2012-05-19 23:02:06 Lyanic@7thplane | FOX News would probably work best |
| 2012-05-19 23:01:53 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Hmmmmm, maybe put a 24/7 FNN feed on then? (Financial News Network) |
| 2012-05-19 23:00:32 Lyanic@7thplane | Quix, your advice is good and all, but he'd probably like the socialist propaganda....he's an ultra-liberal hippie |
| 2012-05-19 22:56:45 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Of course, he's new to the area and will likely have to make do with just what's on the street... the locals will know the garbage pickup times and loot the cans just before pickup. |
| 2012-05-19 22:55:28 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | 10 cents a can, a garbage bag will likely net you $20. |
| 2012-05-19 22:54:51 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Does DC have returnables? Most of the homeless here collect discarded returnables for money. |
| 2012-05-19 22:54:20 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | He can use the office coffee maker to boil water for his ramen noodles until he gets his first paycheck. |
| 2012-05-19 22:54:08 Raudhrskal@Dead_Souls_Dev | And who'd pay for bus? |
| 2012-05-19 22:53:27 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | I'm sure there's a YMCA somewhere he can take the bus to. |
| 2012-05-19 22:53:10 Raudhrskal@Dead_Souls_Dev | Heh... and next you say he can use the car wash for shower? |
| 2012-05-19 22:52:43 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | His employer would think he's putting in extra hours to get up to speed, and be impressed. |
| 2012-05-19 22:52:18 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Wait... you said he was starting his new job? Why doesn't he just sleep under his desk? |
| 2012-05-19 22:51:38 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | hey maybe i can come over an help you out |
| 2012-05-19 22:51:29 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | im the champ at that |
| 2012-05-19 22:51:16 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | but you do have to be ok with uncomfortable and awkward situations and silences |
| 2012-05-19 22:50:50 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | people typically cant handle much of that sort of thing |
| 2012-05-19 22:50:40 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Added bonus if the weather works out so it's 90F or better for that week. |
| 2012-05-19 22:50:28 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | 'what do you mean you didnt get to it, what were you doing all day?' |
| 2012-05-19 22:49:53 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | If you have close neighbors, you might want to warn them about it first though. Tell them it's only for a week, or until he dies. |
| 2012-05-19 22:49:51 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | 'i thought i asked you to get me mozzarella sticks yesterday. why are they not here?' |
| 2012-05-19 22:49:50 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | yeah, get cratievel on his ass |
| 2012-05-19 22:49:09 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | So all he can do is sit in his 'tent' and listen to how glorious it is to NOT be part of capitalism. |
| 2012-05-19 22:48:54 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | i mean, do not censor yourself,. go right ahead and say 'you ate my mozzarella sticks? i bought those for me. i want mozzarella sticks. go buy me some now.' |
| 2012-05-19 22:48:38 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | On a loop. |
| 2012-05-19 22:48:30 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Perhaps a nice translation of something by Lenin or Marx? |
| 2012-05-19 22:48:04 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Do you have outdoor speakers? You could also crank those up and play socialist propoganda at him all night. |
| 2012-05-19 22:47:46 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | generally when i do that, they try to get away pretty much right away |
| 2012-05-19 22:47:14 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | in detail |
| 2012-05-19 22:47:10 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | every opportunity |
| 2012-05-19 22:47:07 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | all the time |
| 2012-05-19 22:47:04 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | is telling the person directly what you think of them |
| 2012-05-19 22:46:56 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | If he behaves himself, buy him a 6-pack of ramen noodles for another $1. |
| 2012-05-19 22:46:55 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | something that sometimes helps in these situations |
| 2012-05-19 22:46:47 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | yknow |
| 2012-05-19 22:46:39 Lyanic@7thplane | I'm going get dinner... |
| 2012-05-19 22:46:18 Lyanic@7thplane | still pathetic, though |
| 2012-05-19 22:46:17 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | You can get a tarp for $1 from the dollar store, and a stick for free from a neighbor's tree or an old broom handle. |
| 2012-05-19 22:46:14 Lyanic@7thplane | only saving grace my brother has is that he's 2-3 years younger than the wife's brother |
| 2012-05-19 22:45:56 Lyanic@7thplane | they're both hippie slackers who've never had jobs and live off their parents |
| 2012-05-19 22:45:50 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | put labels on all the food with how much it cost |
| 2012-05-19 22:45:45 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Also, by 'tent', I really mean a tarp draped over a wooden stick. |
| 2012-05-19 22:45:44 Lyanic@7thplane | sometimes I don't know who is worse...her brother or mine |
| 2012-05-19 22:45:19 Lyanic@7thplane | (I said just for a week originally, if that was unclear) |
| 2012-05-19 22:44:57 Lyanic@7thplane | he's out on the street |
| 2012-05-19 22:44:53 Lyanic@7thplane | I'm hoping he's out in a week, but two...if he still doesn't have a place to live, tough |
| 2012-05-19 22:44:53 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Let him set up a tent in the back yard for a week.... and make sure he covers his waste properly. |
| 2012-05-19 22:44:38 Lyanic@7thplane | she countered with two weeks |
| 2012-05-19 22:44:21 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | How about a tent? |
| 2012-05-19 22:44:19 Lyanic@7thplane | I told her to take him out and help him find an apartment |
| 2012-05-19 22:44:11 Lyanic@7thplane | the wife begged me to let him stay...just for a week |
| 2012-05-19 22:43:54 Lyanic@7thplane | so he calls again and says he'll be here Monday |
| 2012-05-19 22:43:51 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | creates 0,0.c files for the virtual directory |
| 2012-05-19 22:43:48 Lyanic@7thplane | but despite the fact that I told him it wasn't happening, he conveniently never looked around for a place to stay...and now his start date for the job is on Tuesday |
| 2012-05-19 22:43:39 Hells@The_Savage_Soul | Ahahaha!! My room generator is working for virtual areas, it pulls in a random room setup of a certain type, the type is based on an image pixel so you can draw a virtual area and have it populated with different setups for that room type |
| 2012-05-19 22:43:19 Lyanic@7thplane | so he said he was going to just stay with us rent-free, to which I basically said, 'DIAF' |
| 2012-05-19 22:43:13 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Oh, problem soon to be solved then. DC is still the murder capital of the world, right? |
| 2012-05-19 22:42:50 Lyanic@7thplane | so his wife is finally making him get a job, and the job he found is in the D.C. area... |
| 2012-05-19 22:42:38 Lyanic@7thplane | he has to go buy himself expensive toys, go on trips, go out drinking all the time |
| 2012-05-19 22:42:27 Lyanic@7thplane | but apparently he's drowning in credit card debt, because despite being handed all this free money, and having a wife who makes decent money....he can't manage his finances |
| 2012-05-19 22:42:02 Lyanic@7thplane | I've mentioned bits and pieces of this story over the past year or two....my wife's brother is 26, married, never had a job before - still gets an allowance from his parents, they bought his last 2 cars, they pay his rent, etc |
| 2012-05-19 22:41:45 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | A cheap motel proably costs the same as you'll spend in food/etc for him, and has the advantage that you don't have to see him. |
| 2012-05-19 22:41:35 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | are you adverse to murder? |
| 2012-05-19 22:41:24 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | do you know anyone with a pig farm? |
| 2012-05-19 22:41:08 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | just make sure you wrap it up |
| 2012-05-19 22:41:02 Lyanic@7thplane | I don't want to pay for anything for him, which is my primary objection to him staying here |
| 2012-05-19 22:40:27 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Then she should look out for him by paying for a cheap motel rental for 2 weeks. You can usually get a deal by ordering in bulk like that, and I'm sure he won't mind having folks in rehab as neighbors... they have their GPS bracelets on. |
| 2012-05-19 22:37:10 Lyanic@7thplane | her brother is an irresponsible, coddled, man-child...and she feels responsible for looking out for him |
| 2012-05-19 22:36:20 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Well then, I guess you did NOT fight all that hard afterall. |
| 2012-05-19 22:36:06 Lyanic@7thplane | I don't want to kick my wife out...nor do I want to get divorced over something so ridiculous |
| 2012-05-19 22:35:37 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Read that more carefully. |
| 2012-05-19 22:35:13 Lyanic@7thplane | yeah...why would I move out of my own house? |
| 2012-05-19 22:35:01 Lyanic@7thplane | *fighting |
| 2012-05-19 22:34:57 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Did you say 'If he moves in, you move out?' |
| 2012-05-19 22:34:53 Lyanic@7thplane | though, I would've preferred not at all |
| 2012-05-19 22:34:48 Lyanic@7thplane | he's moving in for 2 weeks....originally, it was the entire summer, that's what my foughting got me |
| 2012-05-19 22:34:20 Lyanic@7thplane | no, I fought pretty hard against it |
| 2012-05-19 22:34:10 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Oh, you did. You just chose to not play an active part in the process. |
| 2012-05-19 22:33:52 Lyanic@7thplane | I didn't get to make the decision |
| 2012-05-19 22:33:41 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Hmmmm, now who was talking about 'stupid decisions' a little bit ago? |
| 2012-05-19 22:33:41 Hamlet@Epitaph | not really. Lyanic just has to be in the middle. |
| 2012-05-19 22:33:28 Lyanic@7thplane | roflmao |
| 2012-05-19 22:33:24 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | that makes for awkward 3-ways |
| 2012-05-19 22:33:20 Lyanic@7thplane | long story, lots of bitterness and omgwtf? |
| 2012-05-19 22:33:16 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | 'moving in'? |
| 2012-05-19 22:32:59 Lyanic@7thplane | Actually, my Monday is quite a bit worse than that....because after the office, my brother-in-law is moving in |
| 2012-05-19 22:32:13 Lyanic@7thplane | *mutters* hate you... |
| 2012-05-19 22:32:02 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | I dunno Lyanic... what are you doing on Monday? I'm planning to wake up around noon and play Diablo 3 for a few hours. You enjoy that job. :) |
| 2012-05-19 22:30:23 Lyanic@7thplane | ohai Quix, didn't see you there... :-p |
| 2012-05-19 22:29:54 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | Or his Mom, earlier still? |
| 2012-05-19 22:29:53 Lyanic@7thplane | Quix knows all too well that the reason is ALWAYS stupidity and bad decision making. His life is a testament to that sad fact... :( |
| 2012-05-19 22:29:33 Hamlet@Epitaph | it's what his wife told him earlier. |
| 2012-05-19 22:29:22 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | 'sometimes'? |
| 2012-05-19 22:29:19 Scoyn@SithWars | You get that off a bumper sticker? |
| 2012-05-19 22:29:12 Scoyn@SithWars | Wow. That's deep. |
| 2012-05-19 22:28:11 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | Everything happens for a reason, but sometimes the reason is that you're stupid and you make bad decisions. |
| 2012-05-19 21:34:39 Hamlet@Epitaph | omg. I've got to have one of these: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/betamaxhd.html |
| 2012-05-19 15:28:20 Hamlet@Epitaph | mis. |
| 2012-05-19 15:28:16 Hamlet@Epitaph | well, one would think that modern cache hierarchies would largely eliminate the need for fast permanent storage. |
| 2012-05-19 15:25:15 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | xmlns:mc='http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/markup-compatibility/2006' |
| 2012-05-19 14:35:06 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | some people just want to see the world burn |
| 2012-05-19 14:26:57 Lyanic@7thplane | And watch me burn to ashes... |
| 2012-05-19 14:26:34 Drakkos@Epitaph | He doesn't want to set the rain on fire. He just wants to start a flame in your heart. |
| 2012-05-19 14:26:14 Lyanic@7thplane | Kali, you mean to tell me that you don't know how to set the rain on fire? |
| 2012-05-19 14:12:07 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | but i've never seen it rain fire :( |
| 2012-05-19 14:12:00 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | i've seen fire and i've seen rain |
| 2012-05-19 04:03:09 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | I've got a secret i've been hiding under my skin |
| 2012-05-19 03:15:34 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | out on the road today i saw a dead head sticker on a cadillac |
| 2012-05-19 03:14:54 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | don henley is your god |
| 2012-05-19 03:11:41 Joshua@Dead_Souls_Dev | motif - closed source |
| 2012-05-19 03:11:33 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | lolmotif |
| 2012-05-19 03:10:45 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | OpenLook |
| 2012-05-19 03:10:03 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | not one time |
| 2012-05-19 03:09:59 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | in all teh years i used it, i never had cde crash or malfunction |
| 2012-05-19 03:09:43 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | but i will say this for cde |
| 2012-05-19 03:09:36 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | cde was quite clunky |
| 2012-05-19 03:09:14 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | i liked it better than thingymacallit |
| 2012-05-19 03:08:59 Joshua@Dead_Souls_Dev | i thought CDE was trash |
| 2012-05-19 02:48:29 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | pewp in 3rd blue bag |
| 2012-05-19 01:37:49 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | Win H8 |
| 2012-05-19 01:37:41 Hamlet@WWC | 'awesome-o'? |
| 2012-05-19 01:36:31 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | 'Unity is almost as relevant to Ubuntu 12.04 as ASIMO is to Hondas latest hatchback. Its a technical exploration of a future problem a concept destined for products still some years away from mainstream availability.' |
| 2012-05-19 01:35:26 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | hmm |
| 2012-05-19 01:35:18 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | 'oucallit if you didnt like cde |
| 2012-05-19 01:33:46 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | (probably bcause it isn't properly grounded) |
| 2012-05-19 01:33:31 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | it makes me all warm and fuzzy |
| 2012-05-19 01:33:24 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | I love my old sun hardware |
| 2012-05-19 01:33:19 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | get back in the doghouse |
| 2012-05-19 01:33:19 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | wuh? |
| 2012-05-19 01:33:11 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | wait a minute i see what ur doing |
| 2012-05-19 01:33:04 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | that was the bees knees |
| 2012-05-19 01:32:59 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | i still remember when our department got a brand new SS20 |
| 2012-05-19 01:32:50 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | running 2.6 on 64 bit procs was getting a little silly |
| 2012-05-19 01:32:29 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | that's when it moved out of being cool |
| 2012-05-19 01:32:20 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | 64-bit :( |
| 2012-05-19 01:32:19 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | they pretty much nailed it with 10 |
| 2012-05-19 01:32:12 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | 10 was pretty good |
| 2012-05-19 01:31:48 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | it was the pinnacle of Solaris' success |
| 2012-05-19 01:28:39 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | whats the point |
| 2012-05-19 01:28:29 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | this is the equivalent of letting you log into your preferred legacy window manager so long as you accept all the widgets acting different |
| 2012-05-19 01:27:27 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | 2.6 let you log into whadoyoucallit if you didnt like cde |
| 2012-05-19 01:27:16 Hamlet@Epitaph | SunOS ftw |
| 2012-05-19 01:26:49 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | you should never have moved beyond Solaris 2.6 |
| 2012-05-19 01:22:30 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | back to 10.10 |
| 2012-05-19 01:22:26 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | not putting up with it |
| 2012-05-19 01:22:16 Ardneh@the_Library | it's BETTER this way. you should get used to it. |
| 2012-05-19 01:21:43 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | does ubuntu use the lima guys as interface design consultants? |
| 2012-05-19 01:21:12 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | not only did they move the window action buttons to the left, they made this happen across all window managers, and you have to do the equivalent of a registry hack to move em back, rather than just use a different theme |
| 2012-05-19 01:20:20 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | ok screw ubuntu 12 |
| 2012-05-19 00:56:03 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | believing |
| 2012-05-19 00:56:01 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | don't stop |
| 2012-05-19 00:38:03 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | No worries though Crat, it's open sores... so if you don't like it, you can change it! *smiles sweetly* |
| 2012-05-19 00:29:12 Quixadhal@Bloodlines | punity |
| 2012-05-19 00:24:41 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | really dont liek the hidden externalish scroll bar widget thing |
| 2012-05-18 22:30:15 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | not trying to revolutionize my paradigms |
| 2012-05-18 22:29:59 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | just trying to get things done man |
| 2012-05-18 22:29:48 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | it just gives me that awful panicky i dont know where anything is feeling |
| 2012-05-18 22:29:23 Joshua@Dead_Souls_Dev | i've not tried it, but everybody who mentions it also uses the word 'hate'. |
| 2012-05-18 22:29:03 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | unity the linux desktop |
| 2012-05-18 22:28:53 Joshua@Dead_Souls_Dev | it's not the worst thing, but it seems very specific in it's purpose. |
| 2012-05-18 22:28:33 Joshua@Dead_Souls_Dev | unity the game engine? |
| 2012-05-18 22:27:42 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | http://lpmuds.net/secession.jpg |
| 2012-05-18 22:26:57 Sinistrad@Dead_Souls_Dev | texas must secede |
| 2012-05-18 22:26:38 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | i kinda still h8 unity |
| 2012-05-18 20:25:06 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | that happens. but its not what I was thinking of. consider: spain's banks made bad loans. those banks are completely insolvent. Germany bails them out and keeps them operative, under an agreement that Spain has to increase their taxes and pay Germany back the money with interest overthe next 10 years. ie. lower disposable incomes for the future. after the bailout deal is announced Spanish textile company stocks surge on the exchange. *sigh* completely irrational. |
| 2012-05-18 20:20:47 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | if (thisThingShouldWork) { this->DontDoTheRightThing(); } |
| 2012-05-18 20:20:22 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | they ended up selling 566m (of 635m) shares of fb today. impressive. |
| 2012-05-18 20:19:31 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | i only have a jaundiced eye |
| 2012-05-18 20:18:43 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | the market is often very irrational. it's hard to look at it with an economics eye. |
| 2012-05-18 20:17:36 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | oh, are you into carpet? or tile? |
| 2012-05-18 20:17:32 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | I guess you need to be completely disinterested in the outcome. |
| 2012-05-18 20:16:29 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | trading on the floor. |
| 2012-05-18 20:16:23 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | what, selling short people? |
| 2012-05-18 20:16:04 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | I could do that job for maybe 3 days, and then I might have a heartattack. |
| 2012-05-18 20:15:16 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | closed. 38.23 |
| 2012-05-18 20:14:51 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | 38.12. and it seems stuck with a couple seconds left before 4 pm. |
| 2012-05-18 20:14:22 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | can you sell people just because they are short? |
| 2012-05-18 20:13:33 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | we will not hear about the short sells today. those will only appear on day 3 or 4. and only if the stock changes substantially from 38. |
| 2012-05-18 20:12:39 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | 38.16 |
| 2012-05-18 20:12:15 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | I have a delay in my 'live' feeder. Im seeing 3:59 pm |
| 2012-05-18 20:11:52 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | what are the odds it would close at the exact price it opened at? |
| 2012-05-18 20:11:27 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | and wow. 555m shares sold. |
| 2012-05-18 20:10:53 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | Im seeing 38.00. |
| 2012-05-18 20:10:14 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | did FB close at $38? Or is goog lying to me? |
| 2012-05-18 20:08:46 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | 'My mother asked me if she could get Facebook shares and she has never been interested in IPOs before. A cab driver asked me about the IPO too. That's when you want to short it.' |
| 2012-05-18 19:32:07 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | it hit $43 briefly at around noon. |
| 2012-05-18 19:29:38 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | heh Quepasa Corp |
| 2012-05-18 19:28:57 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | linkedin took a 6% hit today |
| 2012-05-18 19:28:15 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | it's real-time |
| 2012-05-18 19:28:14 Sinistrad@Dead_Souls_Dev | 38.15 |
| 2012-05-18 19:28:06 Sinistrad@Dead_Souls_Dev | refresh your thing |
| 2012-05-18 19:28:01 Sinistrad@Dead_Souls_Dev | 38.18 |
| 2012-05-18 19:27:53 Sinistrad@Dead_Souls_Dev | and it's closing in 30 mins |
| 2012-05-18 19:27:48 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | $39.08 :( |
| 2012-05-18 19:27:46 Hamlet@WWC | no need to douche it up. |
| 2012-05-18 19:27:42 Sinistrad@Dead_Souls_Dev | (btw) |
| 2012-05-18 19:27:40 Sinistrad@Dead_Souls_Dev | it's almost at the IPO price |
| 2012-05-18 19:27:35 Sinistrad@Dead_Souls_Dev | $500 is what I lost a minute ago because of Zuckerberg |
| 2012-05-18 19:27:20 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | very much within a 1%er budget |
| 2012-05-18 19:27:11 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | 3d printer for $500 |
| 2012-05-18 19:26:57 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | http://store.solidoodle.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59&product_id=56 |
| 2012-05-18 19:26:39 Sinistrad@Dead_Souls_Dev | that cube would be my first project if I ever get to use a 3D printer |
| 2012-05-18 19:26:19 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | ploosk.uk |
| 2012-05-18 19:26:06 Sinistrad@Dead_Souls_Dev | PLOOSK IS NON-AMERICAN? |
| 2012-05-18 19:25:56 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | it's on ploosknet |
| 2012-05-18 19:25:44 Sinistrad@Dead_Souls_Dev | those sneaky non-americans are shady that way |
| 2012-05-18 19:25:38 Sinistrad@Dead_Souls_Dev | let me traceroute it |
| 2012-05-18 19:25:26 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | http://www.cnccookbook.com/CCTurnersCube.html |
| 2012-05-18 19:25:17 Hamlet@WWC | he's gonna lose an arm. |
| 2012-05-18 19:25:02 Sinistrad@Dead_Souls_Dev | I don't trust non-american websites =( |
| 2012-05-18 19:24:31 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | http://www.commsp.ee.ic.ac.uk/~mrt102/other/workshop/turnerscube.html |
| 2012-05-18 19:23:13 Sinistrad@Dead_Souls_Dev | is that a 4th dimensional tesseract portal? |
| 2012-05-18 19:22:50 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | i'm going to try and maker a turners cube |
| 2012-05-18 19:22:35 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | heh |
| 2012-05-18 19:22:17 Sinistrad@Dead_Souls_Dev | his S.O. did it in black and white so you can't tell he's using pink paint |
| 2012-05-18 19:22:05 Sinistrad@Dead_Souls_Dev | I like that one picture of Josh painting jewlery |
| 2012-05-18 19:21:23 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | because you hate me too |
| 2012-05-18 19:21:13 Joshua@Dead_Souls_Dev | i probably left |
| 2012-05-18 19:21:05 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | i answered you josh |
| 2012-05-18 19:19:15 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | 10 print 'Detah is cool'; 20 goto 10; 30 end; |
| 2012-05-18 18:45:15 Joshua@Dead_Souls_Dev | I tried to ask him the other day if he'd used his mill |
| 2012-05-18 18:45:06 Joshua@Dead_Souls_Dev | right |
| 2012-05-18 18:44:50 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | if only kali could suffer from that affliction |
| 2012-05-18 18:43:17 Joshua@Dead_Souls_Dev | although busier and not here as much |
| 2012-05-18 18:43:13 Joshua@Dead_Souls_Dev | not dead |
| 2012-05-18 18:31:58 Hamlet@WWC | no, I don't think Nafe gets embarrased. |
| 2012-05-18 18:30:14 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | ah. a Nafe moment. |
| 2012-05-18 18:15:52 Hamlet@WWC | maybe he was too humiliarated to come back. |
| 2012-05-18 18:15:51 Katiara@SithWars | Of all the things to do, messing with your own digestive system seems a bit ... much. |
| 2012-05-18 18:15:13 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | but we never heard back |
| 2012-05-18 18:15:06 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | i predicted a soiled bed and humiliation |
| 2012-05-18 18:15:01 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | you're just angy that now kayle has the idea in his head |
| 2012-05-18 18:14:56 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | i told him i didnt think thats how it would work out |
| 2012-05-18 18:14:38 Katiara@SithWars | That was adult of him |
| 2012-05-18 18:14:29 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | so he ate fiber pills and laxatives in order to have lots of gas at night |
| 2012-05-18 18:14:16 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | he was getting back at his wife for some minor offense |
| 2012-05-18 18:14:09 Hamlet@WWC | hellova way to go. |
| 2012-05-18 18:14:03 Katiara@SithWars | He tried to OD on laxatives? |
| 2012-05-18 18:14:01 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | perhaps he's incapoopcitated |
| 2012-05-18 18:13:40 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | we never heard back from warmonger after he said he took all those laxatives |
| 2012-05-18 18:13:27 Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev | yknow who i wonder about |
| 2012-05-18 18:13:11 Hamlet@WWC | Kali? that was just wishful thinking. |
| 2012-05-18 18:12:47 Katiara@SithWars | Joshua! Huh, I thought you were dead in a ditch or something. |
| 2012-05-18 18:12:11 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | gcode is fun |
| 2012-05-18 18:11:55 Joshua@Dead_Souls_Dev | GCode! |
| 2012-05-18 18:11:48 Hamlet@WWC | although I'd suggest that CAD with no gui was probably a pretty awful experience. |
| 2012-05-18 18:09:40 Hamlet@WWC | that can be proven in almost any setting. you simply can't get as fast with point-and-click as you can with keyboard shortcuts. |
| 2012-05-18 18:09:16 Hamlet@WWC | well, it -is- true that graphical/mouse interfaces are fundamentally slower. |
| 2012-05-18 17:44:13 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | I still have my MSCOBOL compiler |
| 2012-05-18 17:44:13 Ardneh@Ardneh's_World | I want a 64-bit build of DOS. |
| 2012-05-18 17:43:20 Lyanic@7thplane | DOS is where it's at |
| 2012-05-18 17:42:54 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | not a lot of DOS programmers around these days |
| 2012-05-18 17:42:21 Ardneh@Ardneh's_World | hand-wavy touch interfaces are where it's at. should've seen that one coming. bypass the whole mouse nonsense altogether. |
| 2012-05-18 17:41:13 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | This switch from MS-DOS to Windows represented a deliberate forfeit of speed and efficiency in return for other advantages. But what advantages? Many veteran programmers just couldn't see the point. Graphics? Pictures? Color? Fancy fonts? A mouse? That.s not what computers are all about! The skeptics called it the WIMP (window-icon-menu-pointer) interface, which was not exactly a subtle implication about the people who chose to use such an environment or code for it. |
| 2012-05-18 17:40:56 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | Lancta @ Times of Trouble Mud. Seems to be a dikurivative. I doubt its Kenton. |
| 2012-05-18 17:38:04 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | is it kenton? |
| 2012-05-18 17:35:25 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | that is a confounding post. 'I need help with coding something. It is easy. But I cannot do it.' Im just not sure if the guy is pleading stupidity and incompetance or if he is somehow too busy himself to do this important and easy task. |
| 2012-05-18 17:30:48 Hamlet@WWC | I feel dirty after that pun. I might have to take a shawarma. |
| 2012-05-18 17:28:35 Scoyn@SithWars | Ferris Bueller, you're my gyro. |
| 2012-05-18 17:28:18 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | I just had lunch. but boy, a real gyro sound mighty good right now. |
| 2012-05-18 17:28:14 Jandice@SithWars | Istanbul was constantinople now it's istanbul not constantinople. |
| 2012-05-18 17:27:45 Hamlet@WWC | you are a constantinople disappointment. |
| 2012-05-18 17:27:28 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | i don't know, istanbul with you? |
| 2012-05-18 17:25:17 Ardneh@Ardneh's_World | istanbul |
| 2012-05-18 17:25:16 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | I dont really care if they are or not. I really only care about the quality of the gyros. I also dont care about who 'invented' it. I just like eating them. |
| 2012-05-18 17:24:54 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | is this about constantinople? |
| 2012-05-18 17:24:11 Ardneh@Ardneh's_World | you're the one suggesting something Turkish is as good as something Greek. they're, like...sworn enemies, aren't they? |
| 2012-05-18 17:23:21 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | keep your igos chats on igos please. |
| 2012-05-18 17:22:57 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | ploosk made me do it |
| 2012-05-18 17:22:56 Ardneh@Ardneh's_World | them's fightin' words |
| 2012-05-18 17:22:46 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | i did |
| 2012-05-18 17:22:40 Ardneh@Ardneh's_World | you didn't just |
| 2012-05-18 17:22:36 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | delightful |
| 2012-05-18 17:20:33 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | theres always the Turkish kind. just as good. |
| 2012-05-18 17:20:17 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | No more gyros? |
| 2012-05-18 17:19:43 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | looks like Greece is going up in flames. sad day for hundreds of companies who just lost billions of $. |
| 2012-05-18 16:14:32 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | return MF_E_DROPTIME_NOT_SUPPORTED; |
| 2012-05-18 16:07:38 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj9FezVge1k#t=32s |
| 2012-05-18 16:07:33 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | Did you notice that Donna Summer died the same day as Jim Henson? |
| 2012-05-18 16:02:32 Claudius@Nightfall | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLXvXFLKrSw#t=1m57s |
| 2012-05-18 15:50:31 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | i generally prefer funds to individual stocks |
| 2012-05-18 15:50:22 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | I dont know how to build the electronics system in my car, but I still bought one because it works well and tested well. I think the advice is illogical. |
| 2012-05-18 15:49:54 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | but lots of people know fb |
| 2012-05-18 15:49:27 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | Im pretty sure that's from Warren Buffets first book. It was crap when he first wrote it and its still crap now. |
| 2012-05-18 15:48:57 Wodan@Discworld | and we're certainly living in interesting times today! |
| 2012-05-18 15:48:29 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | there's a saying about stocks... buy what you know |
| 2012-05-18 15:48:27 Wodan@Discworld | not a blessing, a curse, interesting usually means nasty stuff going on |
| 2012-05-18 15:47:23 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | wow. fb just passed the 90m shares sold mark. |
| 2012-05-18 15:46:40 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | I thought that was an old chinese blessing. |
| 2012-05-18 15:46:21 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | it opened at 38. its now at 42.20. Im rather stunned. |
| 2012-05-18 15:46:05 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | isn't the greatest curse something like 'may you live in interesting times'? |
| 2012-05-18 15:45:00 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | we live in strange times. |
| 2012-05-18 15:44:36 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | So does google and they make a lot of $$$ |
| 2012-05-18 15:44:19 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | it conforms to the definition of malware and people love it. go figur'. |
| 2012-05-18 15:43:40 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | lol fb |
| 2012-05-18 15:43:32 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | You never posted pictures of your derby hat on facebook :( |
| 2012-05-18 15:43:11 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | Big Daddy D! |
| 2012-05-18 15:43:04 Detah@Dead_Souls_Dev | good morning |
| 2012-05-18 15:41:13 Hamlet@WWC | oblirgated. |
| 2012-05-18 15:37:48 Ardneh@Ardneh's_World | the white paper has a default privelege, Hamlet. it is obligated to give up part of the complete visibility of the paper. |
| 2012-05-18 15:31:08 Hamlet@WWC | you know what -is- racist? 'black and white' copiers only print black. What do they have against white? Why won't they print white? |
| 2012-05-18 15:30:04 Hamlet@WWC | I mean, hps. |
| 2012-05-18 15:30:00 Hamlet@WWC | noway. I love my color copier brothers. |
| 2012-05-18 15:25:39 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | h8r |
| 2012-05-18 15:07:09 Hamlet@WWC | you mean copiers of color? |
| 2012-05-18 15:06:47 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | i'd like to say they're in the black but that would probably be insenstive to persons of color |
| 2012-05-18 14:41:50 Hamlet@WWC | is HP still actually in the red? or did they already fix that? |
| 2012-05-18 14:39:13 Ardneh@Ardneh's_World | also, that's a good rat burger |
| 2012-05-18 14:38:56 Ardneh@Ardneh's_World | salutations |
| 2012-05-18 14:38:42 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | be well |
| 2012-05-18 14:38:33 Ardneh@Ardneh's_World | ever since the franchise wars, every fast food restaurant is Taco Bell. |
| 2012-05-18 14:38:01 Ardneh@Ardneh's_World | there is only one corporation on this planet. |
| 2012-05-18 14:37:29 Ardneh@Ardneh's_World | you buy everything from hp and wholly-owned subsidiaries of hp. every company is hp! |
| 2012-05-18 14:37:19 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | maybe they'll just cut back on the india call centers |
| 2012-05-18 14:37:07 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | i don't buy anything from hp |
| 2012-05-18 14:36:45 Ardneh@Ardneh's_World | eliminating jobs is good. it cuts the costs of having to pay people. this way the company can make more profit by selling the products for more while actually not needing as much to create. everyone wants to buy more-expensive products from the company that just fired them! you do too. |
| 2012-05-18 14:34:25 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | they should move to seattle! |
| 2012-05-18 14:34:19 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | HP plans to eliminate 25,000 to 30,000 jobs.about 8 percent of its global workforce |
| 2012-05-18 14:33:53 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | A new analysis by Forbes magazine ranks the Seattle region as top area in the United States for technology job growth |
| 2012-05-18 14:33:38 Hamlet@WWC | uh. nothing, I guess. |
| 2012-05-18 14:33:30 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | what makes you think i haven't already? |
| 2012-05-18 14:33:13 Hamlet@WWC | 'Cylon, cook my toast.' 'By your command.' Tell me you wouldn't buy that toaster. |
| 2012-05-18 14:33:08 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | HP :( |
| 2012-05-18 14:32:26 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | yes |
| 2012-05-18 14:32:26 Ardneh@Ardneh's_World | actually I could set the royalty percent higher than 10, I just figured I'd leave it there to incentivise sales |
| 2012-05-18 14:32:19 Hamlet@WWC | the people-looking kind? or the toaster kind? |
| 2012-05-18 14:31:57 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | i wish i was a cylon |
| 2012-05-18 14:31:44 Kayle@SithWars | No more so then any other artist gets ripped off |
| 2012-05-18 14:30:56 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | wow, they rip you off |
| 2012-05-18 14:30:36 Ardneh@Ardneh's_World | I just got the $1.12. total cost was $13 or something |
| 2012-05-18 14:30:11 Hamlet@WWC | oh man. I'd totally pay $-1.12 for that. |
| 2012-05-18 14:29:57 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | AS a pottery wheel |
| 2012-05-18 14:29:30 Hamlet@WWC | at a pottery wheel? |
| 2012-05-18 14:29:18 Ardneh@Ardneh's_World | mermaid skeleton. |
| 2012-05-18 14:28:22 Hamlet@WWC | no, that'd be $-1.12 |
| 2012-05-18 14:28:10 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | was it the nude self portrait? |
| 2012-05-18 14:27:49 Ardneh@Ardneh's_World | woohoo, somebody bought a print of mine from zazzle. $+1.12 to me. o/ |
| 2012-05-18 14:27:38 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | i may be forced to kill :( |
| 2012-05-18 14:27:12 Hamlet@WWC | yep. |
| 2012-05-18 14:27:07 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | not the Swingline! |
| 2012-05-18 14:26:58 Hamlet@WWC | oh man. you're going to lose your stapler. |
| 2012-05-18 14:26:41 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | as long as they don't fix the glitch |
| 2012-05-18 14:26:16 Hamlet@WWC | like the 'your [sic] fired' email in 'junk I don't want to read from my boss' folder? |
| 2012-05-18 13:52:12 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | i have over 15k unread emails in various folders |
| 2012-05-18 13:14:37 Hamlet@WWC | (and that that's only half of the emails I get in a day) |
| 2012-05-18 13:14:05 Hamlet@WWC | I feel it's kind of sad that I get 111 emails on average per day that I don't even consider worthy of looking at. |
| 2012-05-18 13:12:03 Hamlet@WWC | no, wait. 4 more just came in. oh well. |
| 2012-05-18 13:11:54 Hamlet@WWC | wow. I have exactly 10,000 emails in my Junk folder (auto-filtered items) |
| 2012-05-18 12:09:17 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | god help us if there is |
| 2012-05-18 10:40:09 Hamlet@WWC | is there a bill payment fee payment fee? |
| 2012-05-18 02:06:34 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | how wrong is that? |
| 2012-05-18 02:06:31 Kalinash@Fire_and_Ice | 'bill payment fee' |
